philippos42: Sarigar (sarigar)
I think I've read two Pratchett novels and change in my life, and that was a long time ago.
But the narrative voice in this fic (several years old now) seems reasonably Pterryesque to me:

Mister Vimes'd Go Spare
I just told a recent Susanficcer, "This is one of the best treatments of Susan on here."

So I'd be a hypocrite not to link to it. Evidence's Crash
I've been wondering if I should stop going further up and further in through the Susan Pevensie tag on AO3. Well, I just hit the last page of the tag! This is pre-movie Susanfic:

Queen of Narnia, by kaydeefalls, is from 2005.

Imaginary Menagerie, by unoriginal_liz, is even older.

Growing Up by sheldrake ships Caspian and Lucy a wee bit, and deals with both Lucy and Susan in England.

All different, all good.

OK, I'm done. I can go back to the first page, maybe see if that Methos-in-Narnia fic has added a bunch of chapters....
LookingForOctober's Twice Gentle had no kudos and no comments on AO3. Well, now it has one of each.

Spiralled's Like an Onion Inside Out (The Doctor, the Queen, and the TARDIS Remix) is a Susan/(FinalRegenerationofthe)Doctor ship. Given that it is that genre, with whatever that implies--oh, it's just beautiful. Very true in style to both source materials, somehow?

Between by genarti apparently didn't start out to be Susanfic so much as SpareOomfic, but it's Susanfic all the same by the end.

Really I do other things besides read Narniafic, honestly.
OK, let's talk about Jack.

I've been calling C. S. Lewis "Jack"--not "Lewis," not "Prof. Lewis," but "Jack," as if I knew him or something--for years. I used to call him "Jack Lewis" until I realized there are over a dozen writers who've actually written as "Jack Lewis" while he wrote under his initials. It's not nice, I suppose; I'm obviously not an intimate. Why do I do this? Oh, a sort of semi-dismissive familiarity, probably. Or maybe it's from a goofy way of speaking about famous people I picked up from my father. Or maybe it's mainly that that's what he called himself, and it seems correct to me.

Anyway, like a lot of people, I got to know C. S. Lewis's work through The Chronicles of Narnia. Read more... )

Edited to add: continued Sunday
philippos42: placards (hate)
Get outta Tashbaan, huh? I just read this chapter Friday (today when I opened the update page, yesterday by the time anyone will read it). I laughed.
"Pretend it is a story that you are telling your younger brother and sister. If you phrase it in terms of talking animals, centaurs and giants, any censor will just assume it is a silly game among children. I'll respond in kind and no one will be the wiser."

"You are brilliant, Edmund. That will work perfectly." She quickly tore out a sheet of paper from her notebook. "Let's just jot down a few names now that we know will come up so we have a common Key." She began quickly writing. "I'll use Lune and Iris for Father and Mum; Archenland will be New York. Mr. Stephenson, his deputies, the BSC, they will all, collectively, be Sallowpad."

That would have pleased the old Raven and the Chief of the Narnian Murder. "Use others from our network as you need," Edmund said, warming to the idea. "I will catch enough to know your meaning. What about Washington, do you want to use Cair Paravel?"

Susan frowned and shook her head. "Certainly not. Washington, by all accounts is a wretched, sweltering, mosquito-filled swamp. Did you know it is considered a tropical posting, like India?" [...] "Summers are horrid and winters are muddy. Their foreign office is in a place called foggy bottom. That simply cannot signify anything good."

Tapping her pencil thoughtfully to her lips, Susan finally announced, "Yes, I have it. Washington shall be Tashbaan, and President Roosevelt shall be the Tisroc."
All right then.
I may have been technically dreaming, or technically awake, or somewhere in between. I was lying in bed this morning, and I remembered reading something I read somewhere where Alan Moore said something rude about superhero comics and their fans. And I thought, "This from someone who wrote a pornographic work about Wendy from Peter Pan."

And then, thinking more about that, I thought maybe I shouldn't try and write the story I came up with last night, rooted in all the Narnia fic I have been reading, that was likely to say some unkind things about Prof. Lewis and sons of the Emperor-Beyond-The-Sea. Because it was like something Alan Moore would do.

So, that's today's post.

(Note: I have never actually read Lost Girls, so I just went and looked at the Wikipedia page, not knowing really much about it. Oh good lord, it's worse than I feared. Dreadful, sad, unimaginative, dog-Freudian, "deconstructive" claptrap. His treatment of Cthulhu was better than this, and it was mostly rude for rudeness's sake. So for reference, I thought the above quote without knowing how Lost Girls actually went, only that it had versions of a few children's book heroines, and sex in it.)

Well. That parenthetical is going to inform the rest of the post now.

You know, one thing I thought about doing to Narnia was having it all be a story that Lucy started believing and forming false memories from, but that pseudorealism's too uncomfortably close to the genre Lost Girls, now, isn't it? I mean, it's not the same, it's simpler rather than crudely sexualized, but it is a little like? I was just thinking that rewriting Aslan is a fraud as well as a self-important dick was perhaps too Moore-ishly "deconstructionist."

Moore has done good stuff. And clever stuff. Even stuff worth learning from and trying to (and this is a horrible term here, but go with it for now) emulate. But he's gone to the "dark reimagining" well too often. It's become his trope.

I think looking at this as behavioral reinforcement explains a lot of it, and yet sadly not all of it. He was inordinately praised for his darkfic of Marvelman, which led to work in America. Then he successfully reinvented Swamp Thing (which was already horror, but he changed a major premise, so it was still "rethinking"), and gained even more fans. Then his attempt to ruin all the Charlton Action Heroes in a dark reimagining got redirected into Watchmen--which was given a lot of critical acclaim because of the confluence of fans of superheroes and fans of grim pretension.

(So if he now regrets his 1980's "bad mood," and thinks superheroes ridiculous, what does it say about the fans of his Watchmen and Marvelman, and thus his reputation? Kicks the legs out from under it, I say.)

He then tried to darken up the Justice League and Marvel Family characters in something called "Twilight of the Gods Superheroes." He'd been rewarded for this sort of thing before, and made lots of money at it, so that was where his imagination went now. But making some expy of an obscure knockoff superhero into a sexual pervert was OK with editors, doing it to Superman or the Big Red Cheese was not done, and he didn't grasp that. It was just too far.

And he ended up breaking ties with DC, ostensibly for other reasons. So he tried doing more serious, real-world-based work for a while, perhaps a bit shy of trying that trope. So we got From Hell, and he started Big Numbers, which fell apart (his artists quit, and one destroyed his own artwork--so...that's a thing).

And then he found he could go back to his major trope, the one he will be remembered for despite the clever work of his youth: Trashing other people's characters. All he had to do was use characters in the public domain! So he produced League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. I have read the first one. A few neat reinventions, but it was obvious to me that his Mr. Hyde was really more like the Hulk, not Stevenson's Mr. Hyde, and this was basically public domain superheroes in a lowest-common-denominator Alan Moore / Kevin O'Neill mode.

And then the little bitch whined that filmmakers would take "his" work--including League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, which is all other people's characters, not even renamed expies!--and (gasp! shudder!) change things. What a twat.

OK. Let's be clear. Moore has written some brilliant stuff.

The first Moore stories I read were some of his Green Lantern Corps stories (quite good in some cases, if a bit wacky) and his Swamp Thing. His (I think they were his, but I won't swear to it) underwater vampires in Swamp Thing gave me the heebie-jeebies for a long time.

I first became really aware of his name as a writer about the time of Watchmen, I guess? I opened up the second issue to see a masked mystery-man raping one of his colleagues. I decided that was not for me, and I did not quite like Alan Moore.

I later read parts 2 & 3 of The Ballad of Halo Jones (I don't think I ever ran across part 1) and it was neat. Lovely Ian Gibson art, trippy science fiction--it went dark and violent in places, yes, but it was imaginative.

Alan Moore enjoyed a reputation for a long time as, "the literary writer in English-language comics." I myself hit a point where I decided that while I didn't like him personally, he was objectively at a level of skill beyond most comics writers I did like. (I would not make that claim now. I don't know exactly where that came from, actually. "Literary" and comics-good are different things, anyway.)

Well, other people have learned from his bag of tricks, and his head-and-shoulders-above quality was probably exaggerated anyway. And I am not a green adolescent, either. So his more recent stuff doesn't impress me at all now.

Alan Moore is one of those figures in comics, though. You can point to artists like Milt Caniff, Neal Adams, Arthur Adams, and Adam Hughes, and see how many imitators they gained. Moore is like that as a writer, to a scary degree. And I'm not sure that's even counting Jamie Delano, who is a little different animal I guess, but somehow got a career out of being hired by people who'd just lost Alan Moore. It's a pity that more people aren't getting the cleverness out there, though. Instead, we get Moore's dumb side: Dark "deconstructions" which are measurably stupider than the source material they are mining and fouling.

I'm not saying we needed Alan Moore, or that he was greatly seminal. A world without Moore would still have Harlan Ellison, Steve Gerber, Joe R. Lansdale--and perhaps a better known Jamie Delano. Weird horror would be doing just fine, and many of Moore's tropes already existed somewhere. He just was the Big Name, without another very different writer to stand as a strong alternative, for a Long Time. And that is a shame, just as a generation of comics artists trying to be Adams knockoffs (either of them) would have, without some countervailing artistic influences, been an even bigger shame than those generations actually were.

Anyway, when I call him, "the guy who created Axel Pressbutton," that's me being less than vicious.
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/5562075/1/Trinkets
Good, short Susanfic.

http://archiveofourown.org/works/576831
Here we see that Jack really missed a bet killing off most of the Pevensie family. Here we see all four Pevensie children grown up, past 80, and hilarious.

http://archiveofourown.org/works/631688
A "missing scene" which is a lot of narratively awkward internal exposition, but makes good points.

I'm also gradually working my way through one called, "Food for Thought," which is actually about real-world history so far, with lots of photos. Maybe more on this later.

AoO.O

Dec. 30th, 2013 05:04 pm
More from AoOO, non-Narnia.

OK, these are from Yuletide, maybe you've seen them:

(o>------ | Ison's journal, if ISON were a blogger. Nutty, cracky, and a bit sad.
I went, "So like dude, look Jupiter is totally into you, but ze thinks that you like totally know and that you're not interested."

And Earth was all, "Oh, for crying out loud, that's just downright silly of zir. A planet would have be completely lacking in any sort good sense to turn a body like that away. Ze could have just said something." Earth had a brief and understandable tropical subsystem.

Once Earth had collected zirself, ze asked (and this was so cute), "Do you think ze really likes me?"

"Oh, totes!" Now, clearly I'm all for love and all, but I did have to say, "It is a bit of a long distance relationship."

Earth fluffed some clouds at that. "Oh, honey. I've got people for that. I'll put some on it."


Hello Operator, Please Give Me Number Nine | Susie Derkins plays Calvinball with Death.
You didn't wait for me to finish!

"I'm still right! I get free passage to the safety bench!"

You still get penalized for interrupting the clue! You have to walk on all fours and screech like a howler monkey.


These are old ones:

There Are Many Stories About Gaga. All Of Them Are True. | Easily confused with its thematic fraternal twin art is a lie.
philippos42: Paul Rudd (manly)
I have been reading a lot of Narnia fic this week.

I want to praise in particular two crossover fics; the first short and sweet, the second a sprawling novel in progress: Moriwen's What Is This, A Joke?--not a Narnia fic but an Aslan fic--in which William the Bloody meets Aslan; and The Peridan Chronicles by marmota_b, which tries to be as true to canon as possible while retconning Lord Peridan, which I take to be an utterly incidental supporting character I have forgotten from The Horse and His Boy, to be, well, Methos.

I've been going through the Susan Pevensie tag at AoOO, mostly, typically skipping stuff that is marked as smutty and weirdly deviant, or seems like it will be overlong. (I may have seen and closed unread two different fics that threatened to play on King Miraz raping one the Pevensie boys, ew.) I did read some of the grim "deconstructions" (really re-imaginings with terribly unsympathetic Aslan and Lucy), and they were moderately clever.

One thing that all this brings to mind is that C. S. Lewis didn't leave a terribly coherent continuity or built world to work with. He liked to throw things in, even to the point of radically re-imagining the setting as he went on, and not be super-consistent with himself; and that's good, really. On the other hand, he "threw in" a lot of stuff in the last book which was annoying (at least to me).

Another thing is that some of us (like me) have reacted to Lucy's characterization of Susan in The Last Battle a little too strongly.
philippos42: zat's bunny (comedy)
I largely gave up on fanfic years ago. Oh, I look at it now and then, but I don't expect to find anything good.

I did read a bunch of Yotsuba&! fic a while back. Some of it was OK.

Lately, though, I discovered a whole heap of Narnia fic at AO3, much of it recent. Years ago, I went looking for Narnia fic, and there wasn't much. Thanks to the movie fandom, AO3, and fic exchanges, there's now a fair bit. And some of it is all right.

One thing I am bemused by is that some people want to cross over Narnia with Middle-Earth and/or elves. Elves? In Narnia? Narnia has wiggles, humanoid stars, giants, and dwarves with one or two legs, but I don't recall elves, and I'm not sure they belong. And of course Middle-Earth is ostensibly the ancient past of elves and gnomes in a world that may be our own, while Narnia is a different reality accessed by cross-world travel in the recent past, so it feels off to me.

It shouldn't, I suppose.
I was thinking about the Jean Grey School, and what characters I would use if writing X-Men. I had this memory of two of the five Stepford Cuckoos losing their powers in M-Day, and thought I remembered a scene where the five are freaking out because two of them lost their psychic link:

"Mother, I can't hear [name] in my head!"

So I had the idea that there were these two other Cuckoos out there without powers, and there were stories to be told. Well, I should look up their powers, right?

OK, the wikis are telling me that they were already down to three by M-Day, and the other two are not de-powered, but dead. Also some really weird stuff in one of the miniseries, I think it was called Phoenix: Warsong. Anyway, it torpedoes my ideas.

This is why I should just make up my own characters.
philippos42: (doctor who)
Written in November 2009, don't think it ever made it onto Dreamwidth, so reposting it now.

Fandom: Narnia
Characters: Susan

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